E739 - Building Voice AI Agents That Don’t Suck with Kwindla Kramer

In this episode, Kwindla Kramer, co-founder and CEO of Daily and creator of the open source Pipecat framework, joins us to discuss the architecture and challenges of building real-time, production-ready conversational voice AI. Kwin breaks down the full stack for voice agents—from the models and APIs to the critical orchestration layer that manages the complexities of multi-turn conversations. We explore why many production systems favor a modular, multi-model approach over the end-to-end models demonstrated by large AI labs, and how this impacts everything from latency and cost to observability and evaluation. Kwin also digs into the core challenges of...