E1 - AGI Security: How We Defend the Future (with Esben Kran)

Esben Kran joins the podcast to discuss why securing AGI requires more than traditional cybersecurity, exploring new attack surfaces, adaptive malware, and the societal shifts needed for resilient defenses. We cover protocols for safe agent communication, oversight without surveillance, and distributed safety models across companies and governments.   

Learn more about Esben's work at: https://blog.kran.ai  

00:00 – Intro and preview 

01:13 – AGI security vs traditional cybersecurity 

02:36 – Rebuilding societal infrastructure for embedded security 

03:33 – Sentware: adaptive, self-improving malware 

04:59 – New attack surfaces 

05:38 – Social media as misaligned AI 

06:46 – Personal vs societal de...