
How to Avoid Two AI Catastrophes: Domination and Chaos (with Nora Ammann)
Published: January 7, 2026
Duration: 1:20:01
Nora Ammann is a technical specialist at the Advanced Research and Invention Agency in the UK. She joins the podcast to discuss how to steer a slow AI takeoff toward resilient and cooperative futures. We examine risks of rogue AI and runaway competition, and how scalable oversight, formal guarantees and secure code could support AI-enabled R&D and critical infrastructure. Nora also explains AI-supported bargaining and public goods for stability.
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Nora Ammann siteARIA safeguarded AI program pageAI Resilience official siteGradual Disempowerment websiteCHAPTERS:
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(01:00) Slow takeoff expectations
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