E444 - 444 | Don't Call It Art with Austin Kleon

Today I am joined by best selling author Austin Kleon, the author of Steal like an Artist, Show Your Work, Keep Going, and his newest book, Don't Call It Art.

This conversation feels timely because I've been hearing from so many people lately who are just feeling creatively exhausted. They've built businesses around something that they once loved making, but somewhere along the way the creativity started to be replaced by running the business.

Those production schedules, the marketing plans, inventory, emails. All the things, right? Austin and I talk about that tension that a...