American Alchemy with Jesse Michels

The Man That Hacked NASA and Found UFOs [Interview w/ Gary McKinnon]

Published: March 1, 2026

Duration: 2:13:02

Our American Alchemist this week is Gary McKinnon.


Gary McKinnon hacked into 97 U.S. military and government sites in the early 2000s from his girlfriend's aunt's flat in London. NSA at Fort Meade. DISA. Army, Navy, Air Force networks. NASA. All accessed with a Perl script scanning for blank passwords on a 56K dial-up connection while smoking weed in a dressing gown at 4 AM. He was not a professional hacker. He was a guy from Falkirk, Scotland, who grew up near Bonnybridge, one of the UK's most active UFO hotspots, who had read the...