25: White Noise, MLS, and marmot w/ Jeff G
Published: May 30, 2026
Duration: 1:14:44
"What we're actually building is an unstoppable messenger."
Jeff G & Gigi take a walk in Oslo.
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In this dialogue:
Jeff G explains how White Noise started as an attempt to build the most private messenger possible, then slowly mutated into something else: an unstoppable messenger that can survive ugly network conditions and hostile environments Why MLS on Nostr is mostly an ordering problem: identity and delivery are the easy parts, group-state evolution is where everything breaks Forked histories, missing commits, and the nightmare scenario where a group silently...