First of Kind

First of Kind

by@soleio

ArtsDesignBusinessEntrepreneurship

In music, we have genre-defining artists. In software, we have first-of-kind designers. First of Kind is the story of design and tech told through conversations with its pioneers. Hosted by Soleio. Produced by Room 3. Sponsored by Framer, Cursor, Vercel and Profound. The future belongs to designers who build. firstofkind.com

Episodes(13 episodes)

Season 2 - Episode 6
Everett Katigbak: Indie Streak
What do Anthropic, Facebook, Pinterest and Stripe all have in common?Everett Katigbak has played a foundational creative role at some of the most iconic brands in technology. His film work documents the stories of seminal figures who have shaped culture, such as his documentary projects on Stewart Brand and Luis Valdez.In this in-depth conversation at his beautiful San Francisco home, Everett describes the “golden thread” that weaves through his non-linear career path, the importance of humanizing infrastructure, and why he believes your side hustle is actually your “true f...
Published: Mar 18, 2026Duration: 32m 49s
Season 2 - Episode 5
Joseph Cohen: Infinite Ride
What if you designed a new class of vehicle from the ground up?Joseph Cohen first cofounded Universe, the mobile-first website builder, before turning his attention to the physical world. He and his brother Eddie Cohen now run Infinite Machine, an automotive company reimagining how people move through cities — not with cars, but with something entirely new, starting with the electric motorcycle.We met at Infinite Machine's headquarters in New York City, where Joe walked us through the design philosophy behind “non-car” vehicles, why electrification unlocks radical new form factor...
Published: Mar 11, 2026Duration: 36m 7s
Season 2 - Episode 4
Koen & Jorn: Framer Reloaded
When do you know to pivot or surrender?Koen Bok and Jorn van Dijk co-founded Framer, the web design platform that helps designers ship beautiful sites fast. 55% of YC companies run on it. Designers love it. But Framer almost didn't make it.What began as a high-fidelity prototyping tool born inside Facebook's design culture became—after a near-death pivot five years in—the premier site builder for designers who ship. Over drinks at the Lone Palm in San Francisco, Koen and Jorn recall what it to...
Published: Mar 4, 2026Duration: 35m 36s
Season 2 - Episode 3
Katie Dill: Quality Control
What can flying teach us about software design?Katie Dill has built world-class teams at three iconic companies—Stripe, Lyft and Airbnb—proving that thoughtful design can shape quality at industrial scale.In this conversation with Soleio, Katie describes her winding path into technology and how fields as disparate as architecture and aviation shape her approach to leading design at Stripe.00:00 – Intro: It's All About Mileage02:18 – What Flying Teaches You About Design07:01 – From History to Design School10:30 – The IDEO Moment<...
Published: Feb 25, 2026Duration: 41m 34s
Season 2 - Episode 2
Ryo Lu: The Way
What is the future of design in a post-AI world?Ryo Lu pioneered new patterns for collaboration as founding designer at Notion. He now leads design at Cursor, shaping how software gets built through a fusion of design and engineering. In this conversation with Soleio, he explains Cursor's approach to design and how the product will evolve to empower designers who build.00:00 – Intro: The future of design01:49 – What is design at Cursor?02:50 – How the team actually works04:46 – Generalists, Self-Starters, Ex-Founders07:34 – Building Cursor inside Cursor10:45 – The next level: Agents & Abstraction<b...
Published: Feb 18, 2026Duration: 33m 44s
Season 2 - Episode 1
Joe Gebbia: Designer-in-Chief
Why did Joe Gebbia go to Washington? I spoke with America’s first-ever Chief Design Officer last fall to find out. We met on the White House grounds to discuss his newly created role, the formation of @ndstudio, and how Joe plans to weave design into the frabic of U.S. federal government.00:00 - Intro / Eisenhower Exec Office Bldg01:34 - From Airbnb to Washington04:39 - The Federal Retirement Problem06:31 - The Mine in the Mountain08:29 - Do Things That Don’t Scale11:35 - The Julie Prototype14:20 - Down to 60 Seconds16:33 - Co...
Published: Feb 12, 2026Duration: 37m 46s
Season 1 - Episode 7
Twiddling Bits with Susan Kare
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Published: Jun 5, 2025Duration: 1h 12m 34s
Season 1 - Episode 6
Mercurial Artifacts with Nicholas Jitkoff
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Published: Jun 5, 2025Duration: 1h 13m 14s
Season 1 - Episode 5
The Miseducation of Julie Zhuo
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Published: Jun 5, 2025Duration: 1h 20m 33s
Season 1 - Episode 4
Jessica Hische’s Little Shop of Wonders
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Published: Jun 5, 2025Duration: 1h 23m 36s
Season 1 - Episode 3
Electric Feel with Colin Dunn
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Published: Jun 5, 2025Duration: 1h 12m 1s
Season 1 - Episode 2
The Curious Case of Henry Modisett
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Published: Jun 5, 2025Duration: 1h 3m 35s
Season 1 - Episode 1
Introducing First of Kind
Explore our Conversational Show Notes, brought to you by Granola.ai — https://notes.granola.ai/f/ee3b12a6-82bb-4662-940a-d4270871994a Thank you to our partners!Cursor — https://cursor.comFramer — https://framer.comGranola — https://granola.aiLinear — https://linear.appPerplexity — https://perplexity.com"Last winter in the dappled light of a redwood grove, I met @bryce for the first time in front of a camera..." reads the tweet from @soleio.At the conclusion of our conversation last winter in that dappled forest, I was...
Published: Jun 5, 2025Duration: 13m 0s