Why AI Benchmarks Are Lying to You - with Wenhu Chen (Meta/University of Waterloo)

S1E46 - Why AI Benchmarks Are Lying to You - with Wenhu Chen (Meta/University of Waterloo)

Published: June 13, 2026

Duration: 1:19:03

In this episode, we sit down with Wenhu Chen, research scientist at Meta MSL, assistant professor at the University of Waterloo, and the person behind MMLU-Pro and MMMU. If you've read a frontier model release in the last two years, you've seen his benchmarks. That makes him one of the best people to answer the question everyone dances around: when a model jumps from 40% to 90% on your benchmark, how much of that is real? In this episode, we dig into why benchmarks have become the loss function of the entire field - design a bad one, and...