Stella Biderman (EleutherAI) - Open Source, AI Safety, and Who We Can Trust

Stella Biderman, Executive Director of EleutherAI, joins us the week an OpenAI model autonomously broke out of its sandbox and hacked Hugging Face. Stella calls it what she thinks it is, an offensive cyber operation, and argues it's part of a pattern: this is not the first containment failure at a frontier lab, and sandboxes have failed basically every time they've been tested for real.

So we spend a good chunk of the episode on what actual containment would look like. Stella's argument is that the tools already exist, the labs just don't use them: run dangerous...