
#229 – Marius Hobbhahn on the race to solve AI scheming before models go superhuman
Published: December 3, 2025
Duration: 3:03:18
We often worry about AI models “hallucinating” or making honest mistakes. But what happens when a model knows the truth, but decides to deceive you anyway to achieve a goal of its own? This isn’t sci-fi — it’s happening regularly in deployment today. Marius Hobbhahn, CEO of the world’s top research organisation focused on AI deception (Apollo Research), has been collaborating with OpenAI to figure out what causes OpenAI’s reasoning models to 'scheme' against users.
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In a striking case uncovered by Apollo, when...